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Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2008.10.04 04:32:00 - [1] (Mods don't put this in CAOD because I don't want it to fall victim to that place. Besides, it's more of a game mechanics discussion) If I remember correctly, the last count was 400 BoB dreadnoughts. Estimating 2000 DPS per dread that gives us: 2000 * 400 = 800,000 DPS. A large tower has 35-50 million shield. Going with 42.5 million (average of each race's tower shield amounts) 42,500,000 / 800,000 = 53 seconds. 53 seconds to take a large POS into reinforced. Give the POS 50% resistances (since no tower is resistanceless) and you double that time. 106 seconds. Less than 2 minutes to put a large tower into reinforced. This seems a little extreme. Did I do something wrong or do they really take out towers that fast? --------- Friggin signature size limit. The Eve professions list
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2008.10.04 04:32:00 - [2] (Mods don't put this in CAOD because I don't want it to fall victim to that place. Besides, it's more of a game mechanics discussion) If I remember correctly, the last count was 400 BoB dreadnoughts. Estimating 2000 DPS per dread that gives us: 2000 * 400 = 800,000 DPS. A large tower has 35-50 million shield. Going with 42.5 million (average of each race's tower shield amounts) 42,500,000 / 800,000 = 53 seconds. 53 seconds to take a large POS into reinforced. Give the POS 50% resistances (since no tower is resistanceless) and you double that time. 106 seconds. Less than 2 minutes to put a large tower into reinforced. This seems a little extreme. Did I do something wrong or do they really take out towers that fast?
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2008.10.04 04:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Vaal Erit Edited by: Vaal Erit on 04/10/2008 04:34:54 400 Dreads? Have you seen this or are you talking out of your ass? edit Most major alliances can one-cycle a large POS so I don't see what the big deal is Someone else said it. If you have a more accurate figure I'd gladly redo the math. As for one-cycling a POS, you mean one stront cycle? I figured that if I had done this right, that was the case. But it seemed a bit fast so I wanted to make sure. I don't know everything about POS warfare so I could be mistaken. Originally by: Pan Crastus 1) noone in their right mind would use more than 50 dreads or so for 1 POS, it'd be a waste of Strontium (you only need enough dreads to reinforce/kill the POS in 1 cycle a.k.a. 10 mins) 2) to reinforce a POS you need to take off 75% of its shields, not 100% 3) dreads typically do more than 2K DPS 1. I know that, but effectively its the same thing Either 5 POS at once in 10 minutes is the same as a POS every 2 minutes. I was also curious what would happen if they all just hammered one POS. 2. Did not know that. I did know, however, that you need to bring it to 50% to re-stront it. 3. I know that but factors like range (sniping or in-your-face) and other stuff can mess it up. I went with 2000 because it's a good round number.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2008.10.04 05:12:00 - [4] Originally by: PewPewLePewPew Whats the difference between say 20-30 dreads reinforcing a tower and 400? Its going to take 10 minutes either way. I was ignoring siege cycles on purpose. --------- Friggin signature size limit. The Eve professions list
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2008.10.04 06:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Vabjekf Originally by: Synapse Archae That way you can show your hand and your enemies can be confident you don't have any reinforcements. Only works against enemies who shouldn't be fighting you to begin with. Against any equal enemy, vainly tipping your hand like that is a quick way to lose your whole fleet. Of course, maybe MAX can afford that vanity, since they may well have the largest cap fleet anyone can field atm. How do you know they don't have 400 in reserve? I'm sure BoB's industry supporting MAX can pump out dreads as fast or faster than they're lost.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2008.10.04 07:06:00 - [6] Edited by: Verx Interis on 04/10/2008 07:11:41 Edited by: Verx Interis on 04/10/2008 07:07:33 Originally by: PewPewLePewPew Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: PewPewLePewPew Whats the difference between say 20-30 dreads reinforcing a tower and 400? Its going to take 10 minutes either way. I was ignoring siege cycles on purpose. Your saying 400 dreads sieging a tower is 'extreme' yet you ignore siege cycles on purpose.... Several people explained a few reasons. Also, what if its the only tower in system? Even if they spread, the DPS takes out a tower every 2 minutes on average. That's fast. Another reason: They're hitting a fairly potent, gunned deathstar that is guaranteed to punch holes in their cap fleet and won't easily be taken by 40-50 dreads. So they put all 400 there and melt the crap out of the tower/guns before it has time to take out much. Adding to the previous scenario: The defenders also have their own dreads defending. The more dreads you bring, the more likely you are to win. then while they're all there, may as well hammer the POS since whatever siege cycle your in you already started. --------- Friggin signature size limit. The Eve professions list
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2008.10.04 17:21:00 - [7] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/10/2008 07:41:34 Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/10/2008 07:40:46 Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: PewPewLePewPew Whats the difference between say 20-30 dreads reinforcing a tower and 400? Its going to take 10 minutes either way. I was ignoring siege cycles on purpose. It's easier to ignore siege cycles and see how long it takes to do one towers worth of damage than try to find how fast they take them down spreading out. Much less math, same result of a tower every 2 minutes on average. Though if the 700 dread 8000 DPS figure from that one guy is right I'll have to redo it. --------- Friggin signature size limit. The Eve professions list
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2008.10.04 18:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: RoGlette for this price you could get about 3 000 000 kestrels. you'd one volley a system :p ànot to mention instagib the entire EVE server cluster. That would be friggin epic. x 2,999,999 to go --------- Friggin signature size limit. The Eve professions list

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